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Long time no news post, however something has grabbed my attention as of late.

Something i believe is worth writing about. Someone boldly stated to me: 'Anime is not Art fool!' and i replied, slightly irritated, 'Anime is art! if its not, tell me what is!'

And then there was some heated debate which I won’t go into details with. But it did get me thinking:
a) Why don’t people consider anime art?
b) Can anime really be considered a legitimate art form?

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I guess to understand this we'll need a little context. Get out your history books kiddos!

When i think manga i think cartoons, however its origins go much further back then that (800 years!), and began as drawings in temples. The pictures can be considered forerunners of modern day manga because of their hard edged, often exaggerated contour. In the 1600's this new style of drawing began to be replicated on wooden blocks, and by the 1700's books began to be developed. It should be noted that these books and wooden drawings were aimed predominantly at an adult audience! Over the next century 'manga' books began to be developed and soon became a defined form of literature in Japan.

With the development of animation in America and Europe, Japan too, began to release their own films known as 'Anime'. In 1940 over 40% of the countries filmic output was anime, and although in the western world these 'cartoons' were adored by children, in Japan it was enjoyed by people of all ages.


And that marks the end of the contextual information paragraph/s. Now..

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a) why don’t people consider anime art?
Now this is a tough question considering i cant speak for everyone in this world, (and there are alot of people, alot of opinionated people remember!), this is really my opinion, so in your replies (if i get any ha-ha) I challenge you to think about this, and answer it for yourself!

Personally I think its because people don’t understand what art is (but then again who does..). To call anime 'art' you have to understand what art is, and although you may just whip out your dictionary and look it up under 'A' its not that simple - art lacks a proper definition, and in the end it all relies on your context (the way you have been brought up) and personal opinion.

For example, a person who has been brought up watching anime will have a different opinion to someone who hasn’t. In my case, I’ve been educated in Art history to the point where i have a huge appreciation for art of any form.

So, the bottom line is, define art for yourself.
and see if anime falls into that category.
Because we cant even start to say what something is or isn’t, if we don’t understand what 'it' is first.


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b) Can anime really be considered a legitimate art form?
This is an age old question, and it’s almost like deja vu, because so many times in history we have challenged what art is. I find the best example to be the Abstract Expressionists. Could you call a canvas splattered with paint art? The past me is screaming 'Hell no!', and the present me is saying, 'Why yes you can'. The moment Jackson Pollock spontaneously splattered paint all over his canvas he was creating art. Abstract, expressionist art; art that was created from his inner feelings. Don’t we all feel that? Whenever we pick up our pen and draw, its like our feelings are the ink. Right?

Anime artists draw from their feelings like the abstract expressionists. We use hard edged contours and benday dots like the pop artists. Some of us work from every day experience adding our own flair like the Dadaists. Others focus on light and colour, like the Impressionists and Heidelberg artists.

The point is:

If you can call Jackson Pollocks 'Number 31' art.
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If you can call Claude Monets 'White water lilies' art.
(focus on light)
If you can call Andy Warhols 'Campells soup' art.
(hard edged contour, Lichtensteins use of benday dots)
If you can call Marcel Duchamps 'Bicycle wheel' art.
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If you can call Leonardo Da vinci's 'Mona Lisa' art.
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Then an unconscious part of you is calling anime art!
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Yukitalia Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow. That was just... Wow. I love it.
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Adamek1926 Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For me it's overused style, that everyone uses and don't have their own style. That is the stupidity of it. It looks cool yeah, that is true. But I think you should get something more ,,ORIGINAL".
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QuietxBookworm Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
It's not really the place of an amateur like me to say anything and it's not like I want to disrespect your opinion but I'd like to put forward a few points.
Manga isn't a specific style, it's more like a broad field that has a few fences but is separated into thousands of crops. Most girls (of course some girls don't) do like the "cute" style that has popped up with the big eyes but there's also sharper, more realistic manga and graceful, loose "sub-styles" as well. Unless someone purposefully tries to imitate the style of someone else, they will usually have a unique type of drawing that, even if it's just a tiny bit, is different from others.
What style you has doesn't matter, what you do with it does. Drawing portraits of people realistically is called art. It is also overused in most art classes up until high school. Drawing what you see in front of you, is that "original"? (No disrespect, I actually appreciate art like that, I'm just trying to use what could be said as an example.)
I'm currently running short on time so I'm just going to find simple sketches of figures to use as examples. This style is quite different [link] from [link]
I'm sorry for butting in and I know this comment was several months ago.
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putt125 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Anime can be considered art, but people don't see anime as really like Picasso or Leonardo Da Vinci. (of course)
But anime is a quality of art but anime dosnt really have a definition of their own style compared to each other especially in most professional artists. The art among others end up looking the same.

Now their are some that create their own unique style with out the use of multiple things in the backround or multiple factions of color. And some anime artist just draw to draw while other artist have that backbone of inspiration and feeling, while anime artist draw random things and probly why they arnt taken seriously by the public besides other anime artist and people unknown to anime.

But I do digress, the point of view of this opinion is just a regular person. And the point of view of a professional anime artist, and a professional realism/cubism/whateveism. Are extremely diffrent.
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CloudRider99 Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Student General Artist
I find it funny that people say that manga isn't art, and yet something like De Stijl (or even an orange canvas, as in an Australian art museum) can count as art. So they're trying to tell us that an ORANGE CANVAS has more artistic quality than manga?
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hermengarde Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2011  Student General Artist
I consider anime more like a vehicle than art by itself. To me, anime and manga were the tools I've learned over the years and that I now use to express myself. Because art to me is expression of the all or of the nothing inside the artist's mind, and whenever I create a character and draw him/her in a particular pose or situation, I am canalizing my mood to the paper or digital canvas. I could have learned realism, abstraccionism, photography, but I chose manga style for being so flexible and eye-catching.
Also, people who draw manga will consider it art because they know how much effort was put into it that some conservative critics will never be able to see through.
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Kinggigasmon Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If people can consider whatever Jackson Pollock makes art, then anime can be considered art, too.
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Hallowed-Beauty Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2011
I thought the anime 'style' was created by one guy? So doesn't that mean that effectively all these people who draw anime are just copying a style? Isn't anime fan art copying a style? How is that art? Art should be original; it can be influenced by other artists, but outright copying it, such as the anime 'artists' do? That isn't art.
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Monochrome-Colors Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Yes, the original idea was because of 1 person. But, many people have taken that and developed it into their own styles of drawing that particular form of art. Everybody adds their own flair onto their drawings.
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madlink Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2011
why should someone be so nit-picky on anime being artistic/creative. being creative means your method of your tools (whatever that/those may be). i could care less if every anime/manga series is something completely new as long as i enjoy it.

the most important thing is that the consumer enjoys the product.

i've heard from someone that finds so much fanart and is disgusted when the artist claims that they're so great for what they do. to me, they're just like 5-year olds but with a fandom.

i enjoy the style of anime and manga. i don't plan on making a living on art, but that's mostly because i might just draw in the manga style. again, i don't take it THAT seriously, i just enjoy it.

remember, it's just entertainment. we lived without it and we can adjust to the lack of it.
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supernator13 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
So if the definition of art is so vague, then the question should be different.
How about, "Is Anime quality Entertainment?"
That's also a tough one I guess. In my opinion, it's largely not, but that's me.
I think we need to go the opposite route. My question is:
"Is Anime Kitsch?" [link]
And it's funny that many of the elements that define Anime/Manga, are also key elements of Kitsch.
But then, the Japanese culture has a certain fondness of Kitsch. I mean hey... Kitsch is fun. I like it a little bit here and there... especially in comedy.
But does the value of Kitsch art supersede or even equal the value of more serious art forms. Definitely not.
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supernator13 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
So if the definition of art is so vague, then the question should be different.
How about, "Is Anime quality Entertainment?"
That's also a tough one I guess. In my opinion, it's largely not, but that's me.
I think we need to go the opposite route. My question is:
"Is Anime Kitsch?" [link]
And it's funny that many of the elements that define Anime/Manga, are also key elements of Kitsch.
But then, the Japanese culture has a certain fondness of Kitsch. I mean hey... Kitsch is fun. I like it a little bit here and there... especially in comedy.
But does the value of Kitsch art supersede or even equal the value of more serious art forms. Definitely not.
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supernator13 Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2011
how do i delete a double post?
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aymiu Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2011  Student
xD
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VotrePoison Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2011  Student General Artist
I really liked how you stated some very, very good points here. In a manga book (How to draw Manga.). It stated in the introduction that the japanese were very inspired by American cartoons (Preferably Disney), and they wanted to do something almost similar but switched it to their own.
And so many artists on here, that I have watched have drawn anime first, but then went into their own or a different style, but they were FIRST drawing anime, before these other styles. What people forget is that many artists on this very site first stepped into that form of japanime before they even went into another style, and you can see the style still slightly in their own. There are all forms of art. What that person stated was an opinion. Not an actual fact. I'm glad you had pointed this out.
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hikitsunethefoxfire Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Japanimation is like a cancer of the art world. there are maybe 2 or 3 people in existence who can draw in the style and are artistic. mostly that miyazaki guy. he's like the only person in the genre that i can call an artist.

for the most part we have people leaning on it as a crutch. people need to get away from it and learn to draw right instead of using a crappy easy-to-emulate "style" as an excuse for poor anatomy and no facial features.

if someone says to me "i draw aanimaaay" i cannot take them seriously. because there is a good chance that they're just wallowing in a pit of ass-pats and self-fellatio with no true desire to become a real artist.
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Monochrome-Colors Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Student Digital Artist
OR we just enjoy having a fun, non-realistic way to express ourselves. I know that anime might not be the hardest thing to draw, but the point of art and drawing is to express yourself. (BTW, u know that ur prof pic is a type of anime, rite?)
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SylphViper Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Anime and Manga should both be considered forms of art. Common sense dictates that either one can be called art in any form or category....Yes, they're both forms of what we call "art," lol.
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ThisMechaJunkie Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I normally read dA news, but seriously, that's just wrong. :iconfacepalmplz:

Anime IS art. If it takes imagination, work, and talent, it's art. Everything that was man-made is art in it's own form. Even gaffiti is art in it's own way! So I don't see why anime isn't. :|
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Connie-kins Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Student General Artist
Wow this post gave me diabetes
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ThisMechaJunkie Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
....Uhm, what?
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Evilbearofdoom Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2011
Anime is art!!!!!!!!!!!!! thoese dumb jerks should be more open minded.
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Connie-kins Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2012  Student General Artist
I've been open-minded.
However, a grotesquely large amount of anime idiots have ruined it for me.

Duh, it's art, overrated art.
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Evilbearofdoom Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012
That was my troll comment. I think Anime is overrated as well and needs to die.
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Connie-kins Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Student General Artist
What's the point of making a 'troll comment' in the first place
Why not just post your opinion without any of the bullshit? but whatever you want to do

I think anime is very overrated, but i don't think it 'needs to die'
it's a fucking art form
that would take some work
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Evilbearofdoom Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2012
I mean, there has to stop being so much of it on Deviantart. That's what I mean by "die."
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Ringtail14 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
It's art. No question.
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Redfoxbennaton Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2010  Student Traditional Artist
It can be at times. I could have been. If it were not used for sex and violence.
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putt125 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree.
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Sarlagon Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2010
The way I see it, Manga is a style of depiction. It ALONE cannot exactly be art, but if applied to art, I believe it most certainly can be.
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TopHat-Queen Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2010   Digital Artist
i did read it all yet, but i do beilive anime is art.
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Vega-kun Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Finally, im so happy you posted this. Finally i can rub it in my teachers face lol [link]
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Connie-kins Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2012  Student General Artist
If i was an art teacher anime artists would annoy the fuck out of me too
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Steffauri516 Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2010
I think you made a lot of valid points, and personally, I don't understand where these die hard "ANIME ISN'T ART!!" people are coming from; if something as simple and boring as a picture of 100 soup cans can be considered art, then so can anime/manga.

To be honest I don't really think that anyone can have a legitimate say on whether something is or isn't art--they can't dictate what definately is and what definately isn't, it's all a matter of one's opinion, that's all.

I'm an anime and manga artist, but I can also work in areas of realism, painting, sculpture, photography, etc. And not all anime is the same, don't get me wrong, I cannot STAND hackneyed generic anime figures that all share the same faces, huge breasts and eyes that take up half the face---I draw my characters much more proportionally and that's just my taste. But just because I don't like the more exaggerated cartoony style of anime, doesn't mean I'm going to slam an artist who works that way and say that their stuff isn't art.

However, no offense to fanart artists, I admire your ability to mimick another artist's style, but I don't consider things like fanart (anime or otherwise) to be creative. I still think it's art, but I admire those who are ambitious enough to create their own characters and stories. Fanart pieces are nice and can be very beautifully done, but it won't really ever measure up to one's own personal work----which is where I think that some of these anime is not art 'activists' are coming from. I've talked on other forums on this site and elsewhere to people with both opinions, some of those against anime being art either just plain hate anime, or they just hate the overflow of fanart on art websites. Personally, I can't disagree there. While I don't do fanart, I do admire people who can do it well--just like any other art form. However, my view on it, is that it IS still art, but its not really creative, because all you're doing is essentially copying a copyrighted character and making a picture of them.

So again, lots of valid points, I believe anime is art, and sorry for bombarding the forum with my insanely long comment! XD
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cakeuu Featured By Owner May 11, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Obviously, a lot of people believe Anime is art. I agree with that. If you put your thought and imagination into it, it should be considered art.

What I don't understand is why people say that it has to be professionally done to be considered art. What if someone doesn't have as much experience? That doesn't mean they don't try and that there was no imagination. They just may not be as skilled yet. And don't bring up the "you're born with it" bullshit. If you put in the effort and feelings, you can make art.

Just saying...

Other than that. Great points you've got there. :meow:
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historygeek5 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
No matter if its an animated or not its art. ANIME IS ART! Short in sweet. They teach anime classes at my local art gallery. I have even asked people i had to do poll for math class and most of the people i asked said it IS art. I am going to a lecture this thursday on the wonders of anime at the art gallery near my house :)

P.s you bring up good points
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kimmykarebear Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2010
Anime is art, but a crappy form of it.
Have you compared anime to the impressionists?
It is clear which is more creative.
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hermengarde Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2011  Student General Artist
Anime, of course. Because the impressionists painted what they saw in front of them with no story behind it.
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Scarforme Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
everything you draw is art so why the fuck wouldn't you call anime an art?
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jburtson Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2009
I don't consider much of anime art, but that is because of people that draw anime because they can say "hey look I drew this, I'm so good at drawing" because anime is easy. I say it would be better to create your own style, and not adopt one so you can brag.
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Monochrome-Colors Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Anime isnt as easy as it looks. U try getting the face, arms, and legs right. how do u do at it?
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edvykoi Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2009  Student General Artist
if yo can create something then i think its is art such as music drawing making food can be an art
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RavenRandom Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2009  Student Traditional Artist
Art is not one form. It's many forms and each one of them is unique. Including anime.
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Suntailu Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2009
If you draw it it's art to me, how can you say it's not?
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AkiraYumi Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2009  Hobbyist Digital Artist
why do people make a debate that nothing really makes sense. I think it depends on a person's point of view.

Anime comes from an old cartoon.Maybe you get my point. then replicate japan.Then we consider cartoon is a form of art..sorry for my bad english here:blush:!!
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UltimaMage578 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2009
Very lovely,bravo.*claps*

Since my style is kinda my own anime style*is still trying to learn how to draw folds in fabrics and such*I really like this article.
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KsNandS Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
To me, everything is art, the Universe is art, we humans are art as well. Anime is art, hell, if a bunch of splatters of paint on paper could be viewed as art, why not anime? >>
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Sake-chan-ss Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2009
The way i see things, art is anything that is creative, individual, and which can promote any sort of emotional responce. Poetry, music, plant placement in a garden, dancing, clothes design, nature... anything and everything we see can be considered art.

for a person to deny something as art, because they think there are restraints on what "Art" is, then they must surely put restraints on everything else.
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Naurkiller Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2009
manga and anime is art...if it isnt, why is it on deviantART?
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hikitsunethefoxfire Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
there's a lot of crap that's not art here, in case you havent looked around DA.
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